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a new course. there's a freshness about him. >>> in egypt, the new coptic pope urged coptic christians to become more active in public and political life. pope tawadros ii also voiced his opposition to calls from some islamist leaders for a constitution heavily based on sharia law. the new pope was chosen last sunday. according to tradition, his name along with those of two others, were written on pieces of paper and put into a jar. a blindfolded child then randomly selected the name of the man who would lead the coptic church. >>> now more on this week's presidential election. i'm joined by kim lawton, managing editor of this program, kevin eckstrom, editor of religion news service and rachel zoll, national religion writer for the associated press, who's with us from new york. welcome to you all. kim, underneath all the data, do you see a message? >> well, there's definitely a message for, i think, the republican party and the religious right that those old faith-based coalitions that won elections aren't winning those elections any more. i mean, you had evangelicals did an unpreceden
ambassadors from north korea to the middle east including egypt. a lot of arms trade in financial transaction. and overall, bell bought a lot of information, but melanie n.j. both pointed out that the number of elite his tutor 3,000. there is no analogous situation. it is just a group that have been brought in. and it's them against everybody else. >> thank you. >> i think it would be interesting, over here, the general way in which you share the stories. somehow a great deal of apprehension. if you could just elaborate the process by which you went to miss some of the instances by wish you secured the stories which ellis. >> well, thank you. one of the things i learned early on, and is not surprising is that talking about these stories is very difficult for many north koreans. it is painful to relive these memories. and i tried to do it in a slow way to allow them to take the lead rather than be, you know, kind of get out my wall street journal aggressive reporting skills. by one of the aspects of my book that is, i think, different from other things that have been written about north korea
of letting the democracy happen what happened in egypt, libya, democratic elections. they're going to have to deal with their own almost civil war like we had to make sure that they get the government they want and not necessarily our outcome can't just be we can establish a government that's friendly to us. it has to be the people and sometimes it takes generations for these governments to really take hold and be by the people. host: thanks for the call. guest: that's a fair point. i wouldn't say that the problem in afghanistan is the united states is opposed to democracy per say. what i would say is that the united states and the rest of the international community and after gans themselves have a long way to go before they have something that looks like a credible and effective democracy takes root. and before we get there there is the prospect that the country could revert back to if not civil war but extensive conflict throughout the country, extreme violence and that is of concern to the united states. and the reason it's of concern is not simply a humanitarian one or to put who we w
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